“The problem with this whole hectoring subgenre is that evil just is not that clever, and does not need to be.”
Very satisfying to read that.
That has been my beef about most villains in most movies. They are presented as too smart for the good guys through most of the film.
In reality bad guys are usually more clever than smart — able to plan and carry out and runs in the short term.
that is why coordinated civil public safety systems usually track them down over time.
At home we have been trying out a television series from France called “the art of crime“. I tolerate the sadism assigned to the bad guys because of the unusually satisfying rest of the plot.
But it does bother me how supremely intelligent and informed the loner, psychopathic bad guys are made to appear
::Maybe that’s the appeal of these films for some; we like to think that evil people are charming and clever; we want to believe that the people who hurt us have to work at it.::
Well, of course! Who wants to watch two people too stupid not to see they're taken in by an idiot like Donald Trump? If I want that, I can just read comments on social media.
This is not a movie I'm interested in seeing given I think its female heroes should be the villains, and a middle-aged, articulate Atheist dude trapping two blathering Christianist young women in his house makes me...uncomfortable. (Can't imagine why I'd have an issue with that, but there you are! 🤷♂️)
I'm sure Hugh Grant is delighted to play this character, as he was beyond sick of being Richard Curtis's go-to for floppy-haired, stammering charmers long before he aged out of the role! He always seemed happier playing characters like Lord James D'Ampton in LAIR OF THE WHITE WORM where he could let his natural charisma be appealing as he played the snide, entitled nobleman hero alongside the lower-class floppy-haired charmer that was young Peter Capaldi. Too bad the script and direction isn't up to his performance....
Not defending Dawkins (or Ricky Gervais, or Bill Maher), but next to all the ugly misogynistic KKKhrister Males? They seem more like a minor annoyance than the genuine threat the Trump Religious Right poses....
It's like all those people in 2024 ranting about "e-VIL SOCIALISTS! Comminism! (sp.) Coming out of the sewers!"...when the closest to that we have in the U.S. is...Bernie Sanders? America's smart but grumpy Grandpa? Even the former "Red Menace" is an Imperialistic Homophobic Bigot that the Right has taken on as their hero, and a country that blathers about "Socialist ideals" while becoming the biggest Capitalist power on the planet.
they're not a minor annoyance. people like dawkins and hitchens routinely ally with christofascists on the basis of misogyny and islamophobia (and now transphboia). the new atheists were big supporters of the Iraq war, and mostly support trump now. Elon Musk doesn't have any particular religious commitments; Trump doesn't really either.
I'm an atheist. but atheists can be horrible, and many of the current leaders of the most visible brands of atheism are toxic.
Some months ago on a "bad movie night," we watched a film called The Reconciler. It was billed as the "Christian Saw" but from your review, it sounds more like a script-flipped precursor to this one.
“The problem with this whole hectoring subgenre is that evil just is not that clever, and does not need to be.”
Very satisfying to read that.
That has been my beef about most villains in most movies. They are presented as too smart for the good guys through most of the film.
In reality bad guys are usually more clever than smart — able to plan and carry out and runs in the short term.
that is why coordinated civil public safety systems usually track them down over time.
At home we have been trying out a television series from France called “the art of crime“. I tolerate the sadism assigned to the bad guys because of the unusually satisfying rest of the plot.
But it does bother me how supremely intelligent and informed the loner, psychopathic bad guys are made to appear
Thanks for that quote above in particular.
::Maybe that’s the appeal of these films for some; we like to think that evil people are charming and clever; we want to believe that the people who hurt us have to work at it.::
Well, of course! Who wants to watch two people too stupid not to see they're taken in by an idiot like Donald Trump? If I want that, I can just read comments on social media.
This is not a movie I'm interested in seeing given I think its female heroes should be the villains, and a middle-aged, articulate Atheist dude trapping two blathering Christianist young women in his house makes me...uncomfortable. (Can't imagine why I'd have an issue with that, but there you are! 🤷♂️)
I'm sure Hugh Grant is delighted to play this character, as he was beyond sick of being Richard Curtis's go-to for floppy-haired, stammering charmers long before he aged out of the role! He always seemed happier playing characters like Lord James D'Ampton in LAIR OF THE WHITE WORM where he could let his natural charisma be appealing as he played the snide, entitled nobleman hero alongside the lower-class floppy-haired charmer that was young Peter Capaldi. Too bad the script and direction isn't up to his performance....
Atheists can alas be pretty horrible and misogynist. (see richard dawkins...) The script gets that right...
Not defending Dawkins (or Ricky Gervais, or Bill Maher), but next to all the ugly misogynistic KKKhrister Males? They seem more like a minor annoyance than the genuine threat the Trump Religious Right poses....
It's like all those people in 2024 ranting about "e-VIL SOCIALISTS! Comminism! (sp.) Coming out of the sewers!"...when the closest to that we have in the U.S. is...Bernie Sanders? America's smart but grumpy Grandpa? Even the former "Red Menace" is an Imperialistic Homophobic Bigot that the Right has taken on as their hero, and a country that blathers about "Socialist ideals" while becoming the biggest Capitalist power on the planet.
they're not a minor annoyance. people like dawkins and hitchens routinely ally with christofascists on the basis of misogyny and islamophobia (and now transphboia). the new atheists were big supporters of the Iraq war, and mostly support trump now. Elon Musk doesn't have any particular religious commitments; Trump doesn't really either.
I'm an atheist. but atheists can be horrible, and many of the current leaders of the most visible brands of atheism are toxic.
Some months ago on a "bad movie night," we watched a film called The Reconciler. It was billed as the "Christian Saw" but from your review, it sounds more like a script-flipped precursor to this one.
"Christian Saw" sounds really, really bad.
Oh, it was so, so bad. Somehow even worse than I was expecting, and incredibly *boring*