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Stephen Robinson's avatar

As a theatre person, I’m fascinated by how most “false flag” conspiracies require a flawless, apparently well-rehearsed theatrical production with no errors. It’s not how anything works in reality.

Lucius's avatar

Or, the secret service could find out about someone about to do something stupid and let them get *just* far enough to cause a stir. Trump is too fucking stupid to come up with anything that complex, but Miller is probably capable enough, and there's no shortage of professional grifters and connmen in the regime.

Plus, the Russians offered to stage an assassination attempt on orban. Even if they didn't reach out to trump & co with a similar offer, if the public found out about that, so did the fuckwits in the white house.

Noah Berlatsky's avatar

this doesn't happen, and if it did, you would hear about it immediately, because again the admin leaks like a sieve.

Note that the Russians *didn't do this* and *you know they tried* because someone leaked it.

mermcoelho's avatar

There’s no way this group of incompetent dumbasses could pull off something this elaborate. Also, I read the shooters “manifesto” and he sounds very real. I have felt some of what he described. I don’t think even a talented writer on team trump could pull that off.

Bill Flarsheim's avatar

Curious what you think about the one “false flag” from recent history that I believe was exactly that. That is the guy in full black smashing windows during the George Floyd protests. Unlike more complicated conspiracies, this was apparently just a guy smashing windows to make the protests look more destructive than they were. I assume he was right wing, but who knows.

Noah Berlatsky's avatar

I think this sort of thing does happen. As you point out, the key is that it’s just really simple, and there’s barely even a pretense of trying to fool people. It’s mostly just trying to create narratives for the right to use.

Alan's avatar

The 2001 anthrax attacks are a similar example - one person, no elaborate conspiracy, and the fake motivation was pretty quickly found to be fake.

Matt Everett's avatar

What seems more plausible to me is a "real flag" (?) situation in which a couple FBI agents know the thing is going to happen and are instructed to let it happen, for PR reasons or as a useful distraction or whatever. Of course, without evidence this is just an idea, not even a theory.

Dian Allison's avatar

I have too many unanswered questions about the shooting.

Why would a brilliant Cal-Tech grad storm a heavily guarded dinner armed with...a SHOTGUN? and KNIVES? And one other gun, and I'm hearing he didn't actually fire either gun. Why would he choose to ruin his own life, and his family's? This wasn't some weird "loner"; he had, up until his farewell letter to his family, no prior history of mental illness or extreme views.

Just saying.

Noah Berlatsky's avatar

Fun’s are easy to get; not all shooters are mentally ill. It’s a time of political alienation, frustration, and rage.

“Why do people do things?” Is always a good question. The answer is rarely a conspiracy, though.