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mermcoelho's avatar

Existing for ourselves is the crime patriarchy is trying to punish. If she’s not posing for the pleasure of men, she’s out of line, and needs to be corrected. I wouldn’t want to live in a world without men, as I like a lot of them, but I’m done with misogyny. It’s not even a man problem- there are plenty of women who police women and uphold patriarchal power structures.

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Susan Linehan's avatar

I agree completely about the power moves behind this kind of thing. It coincides with what I called "misogyny lite" and its effect on the election. How many people who claim to respect women, and do not actively hate them, thought "except in leadership roles" and at the least didn't vote at all.

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Noah Berlatsky's avatar

I don't think Harris lost support because of being a woman? Biden's poll numbers were significantly worse, and in general there's not a lot of evidence that women lose out in elections.

the sexism there generally comes in terms of women having difficulty getting chosen as candidates in the first place. (though Ds have come close to gender parity in nominations in recent years.)

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Susan Linehan's avatar

I do. At least among the Biden voters of 2020 who did not support her. Not all of them, but enough.

I speak as a woman lawyer in a male dominated sector of the law; many of my colleagues were “pro women” in that there were several of us working, for the companies whose house we were “in.” As far as I know, there was little or any sexual harassment per se. But the “talking over” in meetings was intense. I never worried myself about the “glass ceiling” because I didn’t WANT to be promoted to a position requiring hours of reporting paperwork. I LIKED the “front lines” work. But there were in fact no women in our Division, particularly at Home Office. Any “position of leadership?” All male.

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The Persistence of Change's avatar

It's the same thing that happens when the "Hey beautiful 😍" DM gets rejected (or not accepted in a grateful enough manner) and it becomes "you're fat anyway, *slur*". The approval might be originated by genuine interest but gets wielded as a reward for existing in a visually pleasing way, a reward that gets taken away the moment the recipient doesn't react "right". I, as lots of women I know, don't actually care about being considered either beautiful or ugly by someone I don't like and sometimes I never spoke to before. And that's the part that makes those people really, really angry and makes them want to punish us.

While a private person might just laugh it off, it gets trickier when being deemed attractive by a broad public is part of one's job, which is why I think those people jumped at the chance. (I don't think it "worked" but that's beside the point).

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