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David Plunk's avatar

Who's to say after at least 30 years of centrism and trying to be Republican/conservative lite not being successful that if we do it *this time* it won't result in decades of electoral and policy success? Surely not us leftists', whose vision is an obvious failure despite never have been tried.

George Carty's avatar

I think you're underestimating the role of geography in Labour's mistakes: specifically the "Red Wall" of villages and towns in England's former coal mining country, that Labour feels sentimentally attached to and also believes that it must win in order to have a chance of power.

Most such areas are very socially conservative (as dangerous work like coal mining fuelled patriarchy) and flocked to Farage's Reform UK, once such a right-wing but not Tory (as the Tories were blamed for closing the mines) alternative existed to vote for.

December 2019 will have convinced many Labour politicians that Labour had no future if it wrote off the Red Wall and becomes a purely metropolitan-focused party. Labour under Starmer likely leaned into anti-immigration as it was clearly popular in the Red Wall (as shown by the strong Faragist showings even prior to their local election triumphs), and because they didn't see any strong economic offer they could make to such places.

Rising global interest rates (due to Trump's profligacy) meant they weren't in a position where they could bribe them with higher welfare benefits (they lost a huge amount of support from trying to balance the books by means-testing winter fuel payments for retirees), while villages and small towns established purely to extract coal (and that were poorly educated due to brain drain) were of little appeal to employers.

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