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DrBDH's avatar

What kind of leftists don’t want jobs? Is this some kind of distorted anti-corporate take? Jobs and unions; Biden supports both more than any President in my long lifetime.

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David Fisher's avatar

The shear fact that you feel obligated to write this is another indication of just how broken the "progressive" left is these days. Low unemployment is bad or unimportant or shouldn't count to Biden's credit? Who the hell are these people and what the hell do they think "progressive" means?

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Noah Berlatsky's avatar

I mean, I don't know how much it's a consensus...people are just really upset with Biden, and so there's resistance to crediting him with anything. It's not an unusual dynamic, but seemed worth pushing back against...

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David Fisher's avatar

I'd like to believe in a progressive political movement that was less about being "really upset" and more concretely about improving lives. I'm afraid I think a large chunk of what you think of as the progressive left is mostly looking for reasons to hate Joe Biden and really in the end happy to have a reason to revile him and protest against him. And perfectly happy to throw the next election to Trump, since protesting against him will be even more righteous.

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DR Darke's avatar

Sorry, but it's starting to sound a bit like a strawman to me—as a Progressive and a Leftist myself, I'm unhappy with Biden's Middle East policy, but I am 100% certain that neither Trump nor anybody in the Republican Party's would be any better (or even different in any material way!). Everybody's doing the same thing we always do when Israel, or any of our allies, goes to war—we back them, no matter what moral qualms people might have about their actions, because...THE DOMINO THEORY! Never mind that there's not a snowball's chance in Hell that Russia could make a single domino even move, let alone fall....

Would I like to see more decisive domestic policy action on Biden's part? Yes, of course! But 1) Biden is ALREADY behaving in a much more Progressive manner than I ever would have given him credit for (has anybody checked to see if Bernie Sanders is suddenly speaking in malaprops and saying comically wrong things?); and 2) if Trump gets re-elected in 2024, you can kiss any progress Biden's made, and any hope of him being more so in the next four years, good-bye.

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DR Darke's avatar

I keep wondering—WTF ARE these "Progressives" who oppose low unemployment, low inflation, and an increased push for unionization and higher wages?

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Susan Travis's avatar

"Low information" voters, even progressive thinkers, don't examine the facts concerning the policies defining our two parties. The Biden administration has disappointed me regarding Gaza and Israel, but in many, many ways it has been miraculously successful.

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ken taylor's avatar

Rather than low employment I will be more impressed when "bosses" have no ability to deemploy and people have the economic might to unemploy those bosses. Fascism begins when people have to be employed.

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