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David Perlmutter's avatar

The question should be: is this content relevant to the plot of the movie, or is it just being used as exploitative time-filler? There is a difference...

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DR Darke's avatar

"you first need to acknowledge that the era of greater horniness had real downsides, and that a lot of the horny movies that people remember with fondness were built at least to some extent on homophobia, misogyny, and violence"

So, like the anti-porn "feminists", you want MORE censorship in the name of Queer Representation? Because THAT is what it sounds like you're asking for!

Yes, portrayals of LGBTQ characters were originally highly offense and very male-gaze oriented—the repeated horror or "comedy" of seeing a sexy lady who turns out to be a transvestite or crossdresser offended me even before I accepted I was, if not trans, trans-adjacent. (I hesitate to call myself "trans" not because I'm scared or offended by the label, but because I'm not sure I qualify as I mostly live and present as a male.) But it seems that awkward period of embracing homo/transphobia as the first step towards admitting LGBTQ persons even exist (remember how for decades Hollywood's Production Code meant you couldn't even talk about gay people?) is the way that we get through to acceptance and embracing LGBTQ persons as people, too. What the Trump Right, with the connivance of Fine Mainstream Liberals, is trying to do isn't trans demonization as much as trans erasure.

I don't know if I've said this already, but the French comedy LA CAGE AUX FOLLES, which was hardly an enlightened view of LGBTQ people, probably did more for gay and trans rights than a thousand ACT UP marchs did—because it got the Nice Republican Moms in Middle America to come out of the theater saying, "You know, those gay people and guys dressing up in women's clothing are loving spouses and parents, too, just like us!" You could say the same for VICTOR/VICTORIA, which made LCaF look like a gay rights treatise(!), because those Moms who wouldn't see a "French Art Movie" came out the theater saying, "Well, I think Robert Preston and Alex Karras make an adorable couple, and why shouldn't they?"

I don't know if every culture has to go through "Sexual Villainy" and Misogyny on its way to Accepting and Embracing "Horniness", and certainly it should be pointed out when it happens—but it sounds more like you want to throw out the baby with the bathwater, Noah.

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