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mermcoelho's avatar

This actually explains so much. Thank you for making it all make sense. The willful ignorance is the price of admission to MAGA land and white supremacy in all its variants.

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Jay's avatar

Here’s also why I think Trump will win most white women for the third cycle, in general, I’m not as ecstatic about more women voting than men so far on its face because while you’d think with the gender gap in polling that’s good for Harris it’s not necessarily given how the former demo chose Trump >50% in the last 2 GEs.

Even with Roe overturned, in the 22 midterms, it was still 53 GOP-45 Dem, so can’t count on that group imho necessarily.

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Noah Berlatsky's avatar

Hard to say. The Selzer poll had Harris leading Iowa women (mostly white) by like 29 points…

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Noah Berlatsky's avatar

20, not 29. But still!

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Karen Gold's avatar

Here are the numbers:

Independent voters, who had consistently supported Trump in the leadup to this election, now break for Harris. That’s driven by the strength of independent women, who back Harris by a 28-point margin. Similarly, senior voters who are 65 and older favor Harris. But senior women support her by a more than 2-to-1 margin, 63% to 28%.

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Jay's avatar

Sure, but I'm very skeptical of Ann's polling there for the first time in my life given the national mood/climate, to clarify: we'll see if she ends up being right yet again, but I'm betting not this time.

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Noah Berlatsky's avatar

she could be pretty far off and it still would be good news for Harris...

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Jay's avatar

Sure, if it applies to the other Midwestern Blue Wall Rust Belt states-- I don't dispute that.

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Noah Berlatsky's avatar

we'll know soon!

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mermcoelho's avatar

Yes, and Roe had just been overturned. The horrors that decision unleashed weren’t yet obvious. I think (hope) we’re in a different place now. (I’m one of those that has to hold on to hope, or I can’t really function. It’s my own way of warping reality. I’ll face whatever happens when it gets here.)

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Theresa's avatar

I don’t think that people know the horrors…they mostly impact marginalized people. And news about people who are marginalized, well, it isn’t news unless someone filmed the horror.

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Jay's avatar

Hope strings eternal, I suppose, I'm very pessimistic given the last 10 or so years in politics since Citizens United was overturned but we'll see indeed.

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