I mean, I think in context, it's about Toulouse-Lautrec being unable to find the kind of high status woman he feels he deserves (or feels like he feels like he should deserve.) The way that finding a partner is less about the partner than about impressing other men...idk. I think that fits with incels.
Ah, I see. (Apologies for the double negative above in the question.) That makes sense. Yes, now I understand!
The whole description of him being there, which is obvious, and most likely instructing her to touch herself, is just so uncomfortable! That is, for back then, I suppose, incel behavior. Things of that nature occur now, but in a digital fashion.
It's uncomfortable! His paintings were at least somewhat controversial at the time for just this kind of reason!
It's interesting that the more squicky aspects are sometimes erased or glossed over in discussions of the work. As I said, the one discussion I saw online very much did not seem aware that it's about masturbation (in various senses.)
Oh, yes! It reminds me of Courbet's l'Origine du Monde! Talk about controversial, even for today's standards. Or John Singer Sargent's Madame X, which we think is so tame.
But with your discussion of this piece, it's so obvious how erotic and suggestive it is -- that can't be overlooked if one is sensitive to what the artists of that time were doing.
I don't think, and I assume you'd agree, this image does not illicit anything about the incel, correct?
I mean, I think in context, it's about Toulouse-Lautrec being unable to find the kind of high status woman he feels he deserves (or feels like he feels like he should deserve.) The way that finding a partner is less about the partner than about impressing other men...idk. I think that fits with incels.
Ah, I see. (Apologies for the double negative above in the question.) That makes sense. Yes, now I understand!
The whole description of him being there, which is obvious, and most likely instructing her to touch herself, is just so uncomfortable! That is, for back then, I suppose, incel behavior. Things of that nature occur now, but in a digital fashion.
It's uncomfortable! His paintings were at least somewhat controversial at the time for just this kind of reason!
It's interesting that the more squicky aspects are sometimes erased or glossed over in discussions of the work. As I said, the one discussion I saw online very much did not seem aware that it's about masturbation (in various senses.)
Oh, yes! It reminds me of Courbet's l'Origine du Monde! Talk about controversial, even for today's standards. Or John Singer Sargent's Madame X, which we think is so tame.
But with your discussion of this piece, it's so obvious how erotic and suggestive it is -- that can't be overlooked if one is sensitive to what the artists of that time were doing.
It reminds me a good bit of Manet's Olympia too...which I wrote about here, if you're interested. https://www.everythingishorrible.net/p/you-can-use-me-the-aesthetics-of